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Soundings had an article on them and alloy boats this month. Couldn't locate the section in the online version. Looked one over in MA last summer - built like a floating tank. Some of the hatches are cast aluminum and look like bulkhead doors from a naval vessel

I don't think there is any such thing as "relatively comfortable" in a 21 or 22 in 2'-3' seas unless you're trolling.

I know. I figured if I picked on Wylie, no one would be offended

When you start a thread, you can put an emoticon in front of it. Not the same ones as in a post, but there's a list of them.

Ditto.

**jitters**

Another question by an obvious industry neophyte - why are the boat builders referred to as "OEM's"? I know "OEM" is loosely applied in other industries, but with autos, planes, etc., the end product manufacturer is not the OEM - the OEM's are the peeps that supply the glass, interiors, drivetrain, etc. Why is Edgewater considered an OEM to Yamaha? Isn't that like putting the cart before the horse? The whole thing seems silly to me. Like another poster stated, if I were having an inboard built, I'd have a plethora of power options available. If I want a Yellowfin , I have to buy it with the Mercs., remove the motors and controls, hawk them, then install the power and controls of my choice. (yes, that was a pathetic attempt at drawing our webmaster into the discussion where he can enlighten me )

Have them take the furniture out!

Actually, the Grand Sport is on my short list....and you're right about the engines. I did find one new rig with a pair of Verados, however. It's the only one on my list that I haven't actually been on or seen in person yet. Setup looks perfect, but gunwales seem really high compared to the others - hard telling not seeing one in person. I think they have a factory direct program going right now, but I haven't looked into it yet.

Great information. I can understand the larger companies who have entities that manufacture both boats and engines, but the indies still baffle me. Scout builds boats and that is where most of their revenue comes from. Maybe they get factory incentives to rig Yamaha's - but if I like Merc's or Suzy's or Evi's, I'm probably going to switch rigs to get the engine I want. I can find another 'unsinkable' like Edgewater, Whaler, Everglades, etc. Any of those rigs would be at least equal to the Scout. So.....I don't understand why an independent boat mfgr. would risk losing a move-up customer (and we all know how much we all like to move up) for what? A grand...maybe two from the engine mfgr.? I'd have to think the profit margin on the hull and options is a hell of a lot more than that. ...and it's not like we're a bunch of unedumacated dolts looking for a 16' bowrider with a stern drive and don't care what's under the cover. These rigs are for offshore fishing, cruising and work. IOW, they can't ram anything down *our* throats and not experience a downside. Does any of this make sense?

I know this has been beaten to death probably a hundred times, but what gives? Edgewater, who is not owned by Yamaha, rigs exclusively with Yamaha because (according to Edgewater staff), Edgewater "is a Yamaha OEM". Scout does the same (didn't used to up until a few years ago) and that is an independent company. Both companies will sell "custom unrigged" boats, but they'll have to build you one - nothing sits in their yards or gets shipped out to dealers without Yamaha power, unless its a custom build. Obviously, power is the best example, so can anyone elaborate on why these boat manufacturers do this? Do they get kickbacks or other incentives for rigging this way? IMO, I'd really like to pick the power just as I pick the craft. Doesn't make sense to me to drop $100k, plus on a new rig and not get it the way you want.

Best thread ever....but this one has potential.

OK - You figured out how to put a BRP powerhead on it? (hey, this thing has spell-check too - we'll have fun pointing that feature out, I'm sure )

Great forum!....and I like the interface - haven't seen this one before. Out of curiosity, why didn't you go with vBulletin?