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I had a Boat Project Forum initally but posts were few and far between.
I'm actually looking to reduce the amount of foeum topics here in favor of other type content.
I'll look into adding it back.
Hey wiley How bout my Idea for bad post? If not how about public Flogging?
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I should have added to my post above , When buying a boat one should hire a Survey done before buying [ New or used ].
In non destructive testing Nothing will find air between skin coat and gelcoat. You have to tap the whole boat with a putty knife to find. Most owners of boats dont want someone tapping their whole boat with a hard piece of metal. A moisture meter will only find the void if water is in it.
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I think its just a sign of the type of customers and the world wide web. I own a few boats. owned a SF boat company. I am retired now from my real job. and do repairs on friends boats for fun,$$ sometimes $$.Friends I fish with and I usually dont charge them. I was fixing some gaff marks {Lotsa Big eye tunas this year} on my friends 42 henriques and I found gelcoat air in one of the cockpit hatch gutters. They offered to send someone down. I said just give me some factory gelcoat and it will make my job easier. What a well constructed boat that some human being decided he didnt need to get all the air out between the gelcot and skin coat that day. One hatch gutter out of many boats is nothing. 250 dont worry. theres always going to be someone somewhere that isnt happy nomatter how many things you do right.
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How many different forums do you want to have the same conversation on?
if there is different people as much as needs to be...
That is one fuggly window line. Why would they do that. Why dont they call it ferrettis folly. leave the bertram name, to die an honorable death if so be. Poweryacht you are always saying you have nothing to do with ferretti and you are always championing ferretti bertram? I am one of those former bertram,bertram owners that would never ever look twice at a ferretti bertram. I have nothing against ureopean Ideas. I am building a ureo transom on my 233. But they have made the bertram unattractive atleast to Americans.They need a new R&D department and maybe some new management.
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Post it here!
I totally agree. I am trying to use RB more. I check in and post here with my project and I signed up for the promotion right away for the auto tether. More need to post. post it and if its overthe top and in the wrong place. Then public capitol punishment is totally acceptable
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Picture is decieving. Sorry I suggested that. 20 space is fine with the 24 degreee formuls hull. Remember its solid glass and they always lay extra near the chine from the overlap. OMG I cut part of my bow off and I think it was 3/4+ in thick because they overlapped from each side. That prisma looks neat to work with, The coosa penske is a whole nother story. Its more rigid and cuts easier then plywood but wow Its got 2 layers of glass in it and when the small particles get loose they penetrate the skin worse then any glass I have ever worked with.I'll call SP and order some neoprene today. The distance between the stringer and the chine is only about 20" (the stringer is wider at the bottom than the top), but I had planned on putting three bulkheads on each side anyway out of the leftover prisma bulkhead material and filling those cavities w/ foam. I appreciate all you guys advice. I work with composites all the time at work (aircraft), but this is my first boat project that is this involved. -
Bly, The tank comes right out. Before pouring the foam I wrapped the tank w/ release film. Then once the foam cured I pulled the tank out and removed the film. The foam is not actually bonded to the tank. The tank is just sitting in a "box" made of foam. I think I'll remove the tank, make the top of the foam level, and glass in the foam w/ one layer of 1708. Then I'll apply some neoprene strips to the bottom of the tank and set it back in place. I'll also put some neoprene strips on the bottom of the fir hold downs. Was there a certain thickness of neoprene that I should use? Thanks, Mark.
At S&P tanks they have 2 thicknesses. one for tanks under 100 gal and enougher that might be about a 1/4 inch or more for the tanks over a 100 gal. Remember this is all just advice because No one is testing and documenting this. I have taken boats apart that should have coroded the tank 20 years previous and found no problem and others that looked sort of done right and were a mess. I have a question not concerning the tank, Whats the distance between main stringer and Side of hull at chine? It must be 30 in. or more. Are You going to put enouger stringer or a lot of nee or lateral bulkeads or braces?
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This is the method I used for installing the tank. http://www.bertram31.com/proj/tips/fuel_tank.htm The water can easily drain down into the bilge as there is a small void under the tank. I did not have tabs welded to the tank b/c w/ foam filled stringers there is nothing to screw them to. I guess I will glass in some fir pieces to hold down the tank. What if I pulled the tank out and glassed the cavity w/ one layer of 1708? Then the tank would be sitting in a fiberglass box. I appreciate all your advice!
You should not have to remove tank at this point. Especially if that is pour in foam around tank. You will destroy the protective tank coating. I would at this point just pour small amounts of foam around tank to fill voids that go below tank top. Then I would seal the top very good so no water can accumulate on tank to and work its way between tank and foam, If you put any wood on top of tank to hold down place dense neoprene between tank and material . Rubber and wood hold moisture.
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I am wore out just looking at all the pictures. Cant Imagine all the time waiting for people to stay out of picture and walking and climbing. Then sitting infront of a computer downloading and then loading on Reel boating Wow I need a nap again. Great job ludicrous
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Looks like a beatiful boat, Nice lines. Excuse my ignorance. Is it a 24 ft flats boat. Or an off shore boat. Up in NJ we take a 24, 60 miles off to the canyons on a nice day. I saw where that other one had NY registration. He must be striper fishing LI sound huh? Is it sort of a do it all boat. She sure is purty Are you going bto take it north or just for FL?
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Yes I know dave and his two sons very good. Infact I have been fishing in hatteras in may for 20 years and dave usually is there when I am. his brother had a 38 bert that was for sale 10 years ago with cats .The Matthews I'm thinking of has owned two boats in the last twenty years, a 31B and a 35B, both named "Pepper". The person Gus purchased the boat from, originally picked her up from a gent who's last name was Augustensen
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I am redoing one of my many 233s and this one took on a mind of its own. The transom was full of water and so was most all the closed cell floatation foam. I am also removing stringers and replacing with penske coosa board which can only absorb less then 2% of its weight in water in the worst situation. I am glassing all penske board with vinylester resin and either biaxial 1708 and some extra 1808 where needed. I built a mold to a bolt on full flotation OB bracket then after I found the transom so bad I cut my bracket apart and you will see in pictures what I did. Also formulas are but ugly in the bow. Too blunt. the 25 sea vee, whitewater, rampones were much better looking and morphed from the 233 hull. So I changed my bow also. its got a pointy prow. The console was old with many holes from previous owners installing what ever would fit. It now has 6 3 headroom with modern electronics storage.or placement. Oh I do my Fuel tank installation according to S&P the manufacturer of fuel tanks for most boat companies around jersey . Also David Pascoe surveyor web page who is very opinionated on fueltank and cored boat bottoms. My fuel tanks have angled aluminum tabs welded on and they will bolt to penske stringers. the tank will set on dense neoprene material{supplied by S&P fuel tanks} the neoprene sits on penske board glassed to stringers and hull. No foam anywhere near tank. Heres the pictures instead of enougher thousand words.
Wet foam
Sinking "Flotation" Foam thought this was pretty funny
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I was thinking about bonding strips of Starboard to the tank right over the baffles, and letting the sole rest on top of that. Do you think that's a good way to go?
No starboard is pourus and holds water.1 strike. Starboard is flexible so if your deck is not rigid then your fuel tank will be supporting the deck.2 strikes. That is a Big No in fuel tank installation. If you are using foam to hold your tank in place make sure No water ever enters that compartment. It will get between the foam and the coal tar epoxy and work its way to the aluminum. No closed cel foam is water proof. It is water resistant. Good luck and maybe Ill post my 233 redo here and stir some interest. My boat is now over 26 ft long and growing. I have a 30 in full flotation fiberglass twin bracket ureo ed into the transom after I found the original transom so full of water I cut it off. I also extended the bow to a pointy prow from the original blunt bow. I made the original center console a little bigger to todays standards.
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Un tres gros merci!
Gus was that boat ever named south bound and the owners name mathews maybe just previous to the guy you bought it from? Beautiful boat and good luck. Old school is the best school.
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Thanks guys. What would the procedure be to properly seal the holes? My guess is remove, remove core around hole and back file with thickened resin?
Gary
OB engine bolt holes yes. Normal screw penetration should have ample 5200 on screw and in hole.
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I have pulled boat trailers for years to FL. and hatteras N.C and back to N.J. As all have said the trailer is the most important worry. and the bearings are the problem because the get a bath in salt water to often I guess? As said above the bearings and maybe a second spare tire? You dont need a lot of tools to do bearings on the road? but you do need a few important ones.The hubs should be warm to the touch. If you cannot put your hand or palms on them, somethings wrong... -
Good luck with the 38 bert. That is a boat that will never die. I had a friend that fished one very hard years ago in NJ. I think it was called south bound and had been converted over to 3208 cats from detroits years ago? They were never intimidated by the seas with that boat.Good luck
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I am 100% sure that the original BW wood was mahogany. Mahogany is cheaper and easier to find. Joining as said previous is the best way to go wide.
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Now thats funnyIf its a Sword boat,,,why do you need a Harpoon?Ha-Ha-Ha-Ha-Ha,,,,(I had to say that)
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Interesting as we sell HD core also.
What price data are you using?
Thanks
Scott
I thought about not wasting my time on reel boating and decided to take a look again after two week habius. I see composite is still espounding his level over everyone that is actually out there building and using these products while the big boys factories are in a hibernation mode. Well here goes one more try? I buy 3/4 4x8 penske 20# for $175.00 being sold to a non professional ? And I am one of the suppliers better purchaser while some of the big names in boating are fighting to keep the doors open. Have a nice day scott
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BOOM you foregot to mention the Hpdi Boom engine. I trhink it was the Lean burn clean burn technology that caused most of the trouble on the 2 strokes? Thank california and Al Gore.
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Yes- These are the more extensive rebuilds that need to factor in changes in not only weight but the impact of moving the weights around. Going from Inboard to Outboard can reduce overall weight, but also will shift the boats center of gravity... Also a change such as this can have a big impact on boat structure. You would need to really take a good look at the loads on the transom as the boat was probally not designed to have an big 4 stroke outboard hanging off of it... This is a job for an experienced yard or a very skilled back-yard builder.
Scott
Thanks scott for the vote of confidence ? I will now go out of my way not to use your product.
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We have twin 250 E-tecs and the starboard engine keeps shutting down when you go above 4k rpms. Now, the thing is you can run over 4k for about 2 minutes, or 30 seconds, depending on when the engine's sensor kicks you down. It is reading that the engine is overheating. Has anyone had this problem, or know why it would be overheating only above 4k?
Is there a transom mount transducer on that side of boat infront of that engine that might be interrupting water flow at high speed?
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What you refer to as cavitation is more correctly called ventilation. Ventilation is the phenomenon of air getting pulled into the water path of the prop. Cavitation is a different phenomenon. You shouldn't have any issue with ventilation of the prop due to the boat sitting higher in the water.
The boat could be a little more tender, but I doubt it's anything you would notice.
I beg to differ. My favorite projects are taking formerly heavy IOs out and putting much lighter OBs on thge same boat. Then taking as much of the plywood,wet plywood from the 60s or 70s and replacing with light weight cored construction. I have done a few boats and had a chine that has been under water by 3 inches now floating above the water by an inch. In dual and more engine applications the outboard lower units could become ventilated when the boat is on plane and even higher out of the water. A single engine will not. Yes I have called this cavitation by mistake instead of ventilation. Sorry
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Just one in the 70s I guess I typed an owners there with an S only one Two blackfins a 24 an a 25 many 233 formulas, a jarret bay and many other twin diesel carolina express and FB. I guess I am a boat addict. Oh seacrafts and one roballo and a couple small whalers