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Hi Brian and Jim, I can not believe the other site is getting as bad as it is? Jay

I just the other day found this option on a leftover airconditioned proline for sale in the building. It had 3 exrta batteries and an inverter on a ob with no generator. It supposedly can run for 7 hrs away from the dock. Over on enougher site I asked the question and got good answers from proline people.

Nice whaler. thats too bad. you only have 4 boats in the yard. I dont count mine? That way I dont have to lie to my wife! One of my friends uses an older outrage to stiper fish the inlets up here and he does test the boats floatation occasionally with the stripers hanging out in the breakers. Its a good safe boat.

No I will take my best shot this way. Fuel tanks go bad mostly two ways. from inside out mostly believe it or not? {from experience of many years and many old boats. That wont happen much nowadays with the alchohol ethanol in gasoline. A bad install is what you are talking about and I am covering all bases there. If you foam a tank in place you better take the pains to first etch the aluminum then and only then epoxy coat it. or atleast coaltar epoxy very thick because one scratch will do it in. Then I set the tank on dedicated tank supports that are glassed to stringers and hull. then the tank has dense neoprene pads that are on the bottom of the tank and isolate it from any non aluminum. No wood or glass touches the tank. next the tank is bolted into dense penske board spacers between the main stringers and the tabs welded on to the tank. using stainless bolts.No wood, fiberglass or FOAM !!!!, like a lot of top name builders still use, will trap water up against my aluminum tank. Then the tank if water does ever get to its surface of condensation from filling the tanks on a warm day from ground cooled storage tank fuel . It will end up in the bilge and pumped overboard not trapped next to the aluminum coroding it like a cancer you cant see. Also aluminum of all the metals does not like to be coated or have anything secondary bonded to it. Except the same type aluminum welded to it. I remember 20÷ years ago when I saw ocean yachts aluminum stringer molds and asked if they ever got the stringers stuck in the mold? They said nothing ever sticks permantly to aluminum. So epoxy all the tanks you want and then foam them in also if you want. This is my way and also a noted surveyor david pascoe also is in this ball park on my thinking? sorry for the more then one word answer but I take my boat work very serious and I take no prisoners when it comes to bad boat building?

Updated pictures Fairing the transom bracket euro transom etc..

Good way to put it gus. I actually like garmin gps and furuno fishfinder. on No. 3 price. raytheon seems like a good deal til 2 years after you buy and you say why did I buy this junk? furuno nomatter how old still seams like a quality unit years and years after? Thats my perspective and I am sticking to it.

Bandit I sent a pm did not hear back?

Nice job.

Dual batteries even with out the electronics going that far.

Good info here,

I have fished off shore with a single a lot but I guess age is catching up finally? I now have a twin for this season. I had a hpdi that went boom and I alays believed the 140 bananas were worth the tow service. I guess the twin bite latched on after the hpdi got really guiet

We can all be your beta testers huh> That makes us feel important instead of confused if that happens?

I am very interested.

Osprey I thanked scott for comming back and answering the many questions I put forward. I also traveled from South jersey to miami and walked the almost empty isles of IBEX. it was pretty sad that someone like myself doing only repairs instead of building boats could command so much time by the powers to be in the booths. I think this economic mess is only going to get worse. Its a shame that many will probably leave the boating community never to return

Thank you scott for coming back and answering the many questions I had.I am going to re read and learn from your answers.Thanks again.

Yes there are, and every one of them is built incorrectly. Just because someone builds something doesn't make it right. Sometimes I think these manufacturers don't have a mechanical engineer to share between them. Anytime a stringer has a step it will hinge at that location when it flexes, and it will fail at the step. Thousands have failed in this manner. Notches and reliefs are even worse than steps. A stringer's job is to stiffen the hull and a curved stringer can't do that. It's other job is to support the deck and I don't see those stringers doing that either. I'll quote David Pascoe here, he has more letters behind his name than I do... Reference: http://www.yachtsurvey.com/HullFailPart1.htm Thank you cracker larry . I am so impressed by your response to my beliefs in hull and stringer design that I wanted to quote you again and david pascoe. Now I believe my questions were justified and I do not understand why the OP as osprey 250 calls him did not answer his original post?Oh I get it now OP, I am a little slow. since osprey says he made contact with him and he doesnot want to enter a two way forum on Reel Boating. Maybe he was only trying to get free advertising and is affraid to answer our specific questions. Maybe there are some questions about his product that he would rather not answer?

what about secondary bonding? Resin type? Glass type? How many layers? Does this stringer system have any inherent strength or does it get all its stifness and rigid form from the glass and resin chosen? It seems to have large radiuses where it meets hull? Why? I still dont understand why you would not want the stringer to go from the hull to the deck if possible? That way the hull stringer is supporting the deck and the deck stringer is supporting the hull.Those outboard stringers in the picture sure look to be running down hill also? AND NOT HIGH ENOUGH TO SUPPORT THE DECK? Why start a thread with no feed back? Especially for the betterment of Reel Boating forum

In thought it didnt look right. Thanks for backing up my thoughts cracker larry. I dont thinkn this composit guy is here to be on a forum? We thinks hes just doing some free sdvertising without participation. But he sure sounds impotent, Composite EXPERT! help?

I guess the composit expert doesnt care about helping us in our understanding boat projects? Does he only care about selling his stringer system? 2 days and he wont answer the thread he started?

What Kind of trailer accident? just loading a boat or a highway accident? Did the original stringers seperate from the hull with out damaging the hull? was the floatation foam part of the problem? was the floatation foam reinstalled before deck went down? What glass laminate was put on top of the stringer foam? was vinylester resin used for a better secondary bonding? What supports the deck? the stringers do not look like they go high enough to support the deck?What kind of stringers were there before the accident? same type? There are a lot of people that do our own repairs and projects here. We like to know the REEL BOATING story

Wow thats a project and two. Had a buddy back 15 years that modernized his 45 of around 1980 vintage. He was adding and changing interior. Gutting and starting over thats a big job. Those older hatteras hulls were built like ships.take lots of pictures.

There was one in the 60s with detroit 671s. factory. Someone once told me the hull was used in a NY to miami race or something like that. It was a FB model with outriggers that was one of the fastest canyon capable boats in the 60s It was called the Printers Devil Good luck with your piece of history

if there is different people as much as needs to be... That is one fuggly window line. Why would they do that. Why dont they call it ferrettis folly. leave the bertram name, to die an honorable death if so be. Poweryacht you are always saying you have nothing to do with ferretti and you are always championing ferretti bertram? I am one of those former bertram,bertram owners that would never ever look twice at a ferretti bertram. I have nothing against ureopean Ideas. I am building a ureo transom on my 233. But they have made the bertram unattractive atleast to Americans.They need a new R&D department and maybe some new management. He's trolling for Ferretti group ad dollars for his blog. BTW, power blog guy who is relentlessly spamming all the different forums with nonsense, HOW MANY BERTRAMS HAVE YOU OWNED? Just one in the 70s I guess I typed an owners there with an S only one Two blackfins a 24 an a 25 many 233 formulas, a jarret bay and many other twin diesel carolina express and FB. I guess I am a boat addict. Oh seacrafts and one roballo and a couple small whalers

Hey wiley How bout my Idea for bad post? If not how about public Flogging?

In non destructive testing Nothing will find air between skin coat and gelcoat. You have to tap the whole boat with a putty knife to find. Most owners of boats dont want someone tapping their whole boat with a hard piece of metal. A moisture meter will only find the void if water is in it.