[Maritime type sayings-Post Yours]

"Jimmy crack corn and I don't care". I suppose that means something but I don't care.

You don't like CORN yer sayin'?

[Maritime type sayings-Post Yours]

No bananas!!!!

[Why the need to stir the pot...]

I think thats about right. La Gringa nailed it, but it aint always easy to pass up a little controversey if you have any opinions. Just don't let it get nasty.

Well put: Caveman.

"Pot stirin' " is one of those one 'eye of the beholder' type of things, (IMHO).

I'm a firm believer in choice, (which seems some times) ta be under rated n' under stated.

If a poster has a manner of postin' that is irritatin' to ya, (or says something ya find irritatin'), use yer mouse ta move to a post that is not irritatin': problem solved. Real easy!

"Ignore" is also great thing: so I agree with that tried n' true corncept as well. Even use it meself.

If a poster really is: "stirin' the ol' pot" it is very likely fer attention, n' denial of said attention is the very best way ta make sure less "pot stirin' " occurs in the forseeable future.

After all if there is a 'pot' it takes at least two ta 'stir' said pot: so be sure ta gaze in the ol' mirror before ya place blame on all those pots that get stirred up.

Respectfully, JR

[floating vs. fixed docks?]

Both types have there places. JR

[Transom/Trim Issues from Trailering]

Second attempt to reply to this thread.

I hope this is worded mildly enough to survive and be posted so others on this forum can learn from this real life experience corncernin' transom care.

I offered a real life example of a transom failure, (which was specifically asked for), when a brace to solidify the engine on said transom in question was not used.

My example was ridiculed fer a number of reasons, but I submit the actual experence is STILL a valid reason to use a transom brace when towing yer outboard powered boat, (and I'm not in the bidness of sellin' transom braces).

#1 The transom on the boat was solid prior to the road vibration caused damage, and actually still is solid after a crack developed that was the direct result of said over road vibration.

#2 The damage was the direct result of the engine loosely rocking on the transom during an approximate 200 mile tow over fairly smooth roads.

#3 The damage has been repaired, (the crack was filled, [with GE 5200] to block water intrusion which could lead to rot), and the transom has been wrapped in 5/16 aluminum so it is much stronger and less prone to any future damage, even if a transom brace was not used, (which it will be).

#4 This was a "boat transom" not something orbiting Mars, and the boat was a light weight boat from a low end light weight boat manufactrer, and there are many of these boats still out on the water providing joy to their owners.

If you have a new boat with a very heavily built transom, and you only plan to use said boat for a "couple of years" and then sell it and buy another one: by all means ignore this advice and tow without any brace on yer heavy outboard.

If you have an older boat, or a lighter weight boat, or you plan to keep yer new boat fer many years: I would pay attention to locking yer engine into a rigid formation when towing.

Even the heaviest built transoms are not immune from developing cracks from loose heavy modern outboard engines moveing fore and aft during extended tows on even the smoothest roads.

As some have also stated: it, (road vibration) also werks the hydrolics on said power trim or jack plates which is ALSO not a good thing.

Transoms generally rot from water intrusion which usually results when water enters cracks that can result with a transom cracks due to harmonic vibration created from towing over the road, and or cracks from transom flex under the loads generated by a powerful outboard. Either way, it pays to minimize the potential stress to a stressed out part of yer boat, (IMHO).

Bottom line. Bayliners, "Bayholes" are lightly built and some like to put them down.

I like 'em, as they look good and are very fast.

Therefore I will tow me Bayhole with a transom brace and enjoy many many years of fun on the water, with much less transom problems due to a transom brace.

Hopefully that is what we all want here.

Me over priced $.02. JR

[Transom/Trim Issues from Trailering]

Not really.

I think the explanation of what it is probably clears up why it had a broke transom.

I think it shows that you knew it was a boat before acting like I was talking about something other then a boat, since #26 was before yer attempt to deny the example I gave of the merrits of transom braces.

Bayholes have their place, that particular boat is very light and therefore quite fast which is the attraction of it for me. Due to the lightweight construction it demonstarted for the sake of this thread that transom braces are necessary to solidify an engine on the transom from moving. You jus' seem ta have a closed mind fer some reason.

The Bayhole I have is very nice looking, (a lot of Bayholes are even though you are doin' yer best puttin' them down). I bet this little boat would give you a run fer yer money as well, as it is not slow, which is the reason I bought it in the first place.

BTW I fixed the crack in the transom with marine grade aluminum, (which you have also ignored tryin' ta denigrate me little ride), so It runs out fine now (and I still use a transom brace, fer GOOD REASON.

You mentioned towin' fer two years or some such, even though ya claimed 30 years of boatin' 'sperience. I you have the money to buy a brand new boat and tow it fer only two years then sell it and buy another brand new boat, you could prolly abuse a lot of things and get away with it.

I keep me boats fer many years and try to take care of 'em.

Me over priced $02. JR

[Less Bashing - - - Take the Higher Road]

I have to disagree and here is why

I personally don't give a crap as to which threads get the most posts

I see you like to express yerself strongly and with profanity......... ("crap")

. . . for me that is not important . . .

I guess you also try to decide what is and is or is not important fer others.

I come here to talk about fishing and boating

Why don't ya do just that........ no one is stoppin' you from typin' at all.

and not to wade through all of the political insults and personal attacks

"Insults n' personal attacks" ya say.... n' jus' what are ya doin' here???????? Ya ever have the occasion ta look in the ol' mirror???

You say . . .

You seem to be saying that if we don't want to have all of that political crap and racism and hate here that we have little brains and don't have the ability to use them

Hmmmmmmm......... were did ya get the "HATE" n' "RACISM"? That is certianly not somethin' I said or implied in any way shape or form. "Little brains" yer sayin'? Ya talkin' 'bout me single functional brain cell??? Me thinks yer cornfused, n' very angry. Can ya stick to direct quotes, (not made up stuff), when yer werkin' yerself up into a big tizzy???

Are you a mind reader? I talked about personal freedom of expression, and how some want restrictions of said expression. Didn't think it was that cornplicated, I knew it was a minority view.

It is posts like yours (unfortunately) that end up in name calling and disrepsectful

Did I call you a "name"???? State where please. Was I "disrespectful" to you? Where was that, (I don't think I've ever met ya, or directly engaged you)????? It seems ta me it is you that lacks self corntrol here.

You don't allow someone to steal your personal property even if the other person says that you are restricting his freedom

Whaaaaaaat..........??? "STEAL PERSONAL PROPERTY"????? You really werk yerself up into a lather with extremes don't ya? I NEVER SAID THAT. I can see why you would like some sort of padded play room with very strict corntrols, n' penalties. I prefer personal responsibility fer one's own cornduct, n' try me best to practice what I preach.

. . . sooooooo . . . why should posters have the freedom to insult others,

"FREEDOM TO INSULT OTHERS". Where did I ever say that? You seem to take insult from comments not intended to insult at all, just intended to spur thought. Do ya like to think?????

and almost all political posts end there . . .

I can see where political discourse or any type of challenging, thought provoking discourse with you could sure end up that way. That is why there is freedom to engage or not engage. One must know their own limitations and the thickness of their own skin. Yers seems real thin ta me, (jus' an observation from yer angry werds here); not readin' yer mind.

after all that is what you seem to be advocating

NOPE I'm not "advocating" anything of the kind. That came off yer very own keyboard, NOT FROM ME. I may have a simple mind, (one functional brain cell n' all), but please stick to readin' me exact werds not me simple mind, as ya jus' can't do the mind readin' stuff very well at all.

Some like freedom, some don't. Simple as that.

Respectfully, JR

[Devaluation of Boats/Homes/ n' most Everything]

I know Politics are taboo here and I will do me very best not to talk about them or the fact the we are so collectively brillient we put in an inexperienced very media savvy person in the most difficult executive position in the world during a real critical time.

If ya wonder why yer boats are less valuable today, (as are most other things too), ponder the following:

At no time in recorded history has any entity of size, (BTW this Great Country is an entity of size), ever followed a strategy of increasin' leverage to deal with a financial crisis very directly caused by too little collective saving and toooooo much collective cornsumption funded by tooooooo much collective leverage. (Leverage is borrowed money in case ya didn't know ).

Big Ben, (not the clock), used his magic check book last week, (the check book that never is balenced), ta create $1.2 Trillion outa thin air ta buy T-Bills, Notes and Bonds, n' although Big Ben didn't admit it, methinks he used the check book ta buy some equities n' crush the shorts Monday as well. Notice how oil, (in dollar terms), went from the low $40.s to the low $50.s jus' like that, and ya don't think that was demand based do ya?????

That short term stuff only lasts sooooo long and the Brits bond auction failed, and our bond auction today wasn't so hot either. We are in the ninth inning, (IMHO), remember I only have one functional brain cell, n' I have been wrong many many times in me life.

Me thinks she maybe crackin' a bit today, (but beware of Ben's magic check book) as he can buy entire Treasury auctions and a few stocks, (or futures on 'em), here n' there tooooo even though he will never admit the stock purchases.

The last hour of tradin' commin' up in a few minutes n' this day n' tommorrow n' the day after could be down right interestin', if not skeeeeeeeeery. Hope I'm wrong.

This is not investment advice, but the musins' of a boater with only one functional brain cell tryin' ta have a interestin' conversation about boat values. Good luck to all. JR

[What other Forums do you Frequent?]

Gringo rosin up your bow and play your fiddle hard.

'Cos hells broke loose in Caicos and the devil deals the cards.

And if you win you get this shiny fiddle made of gold.

But if you lose, the devil gets your soul.

The devil opened up his case and he said: "I'll start this show."

And fire flew from his fingertips as he resined up his bow.

And he pulled the bow across his strings and it made an evil hiss.

Then a band of demons joined in and it sounded something like this.

When the devil finished, Gringo said: "Well you're pretty good ol' son.

"But if you'll sit down on the beach right there, and let me show you how its done."

Fire on the Panga, run boys, run.

The devil's in the house of the big bald one.

LaGringa in the kitchen, pickin' out dough.

"Gringo, does your boat float?"

"No, child, no."

The devil bowed his head because he knew that he'd been beat.

He laid that golden fiddle on the ground at Gringo's feet.

Gringo said: "Devil just come on back if you ever want to try again.

"I told you once, you son of a ######, I'm the best that's ever been."

Great Job Bird. Didn't know ya had such a talent.

Ever wonder why the Brits would ban such a nice feller who we all know jus' luvs the British People and admires the Empire soooooooooo much, (that he lives in)?

After all: doesn't he say such nice things about them, (such a sweet guy, eh......)????

Hmmmmmmm...........

Guess it takes 1/4 of a functional brain cell ta ponder that one fer a second or two, eh?

[Transom/Trim Issues from Trailering]

well, its a steel trailer, outboard and boat both around 24 years old, transom straps either side of outboard well, motor bracket directly to trailer, and we have very rough roads over here. It works well for me.

I bet yer right, and you would know.

Boat securely strapped to the trailer says it all: Ken.

Ya know the old sayin' you can lead a horse ta water ...............

[Transom/Trim Issues from Trailering]

Whatever; you're the one with a broke bayliner.

I guess ya have a cornprehension problem, eh? I said I wrapped the tranny in 5/16 aluminum so it is a now solid as a rock.

Bayliners are very lightly built boats, the lighest built of all the boats that I own (and I have a few of 'em, [only one Bayhole]). That is why ol' Redneck Joe calls 'em "Bayholes", the name was givin' by a TN Lady known as Mermaid, (if I recall correctly), and the name stuck with me as very approprate and discriptive.

Thanks for your permission to carry on.

Yer welcome. JR

[What other Forums do you Frequent?]

I mainly post on iboats these days, (where I started 2 and 1/2 years ago).

I tried some others like THT, (which I also liked but have not visited fer a long time), and other sites like FCB and Motor Mouths but have settled back there on ol' iboats where I started.

I also joined a very slow Glayply forum, (a boat that I own), that I will spend some more time on as the season in the NW warms up and the site picks up with the warm weather.

I werked in the securities bidness fer many years and would lurk on financial web sites like Yahoo finance et al, (which I still do fer insight into various things commin' down, [or accasionally goin' up ]as I trade me own account), but the WS Firm I werked for stictly corntrolled any postin' by any and all Registered Reps so I never posted anywhere 'till iboats, after I had left the Securities bidness and started me own unrelated company.

JR

[Transom/Trim Issues from Trailering]

I don't know what a "Bayhole" is, so I'm not sure it applies.

A Bayhole is a slang term for a Bayliner and is does apply I assure you; (now whether you accept my experience is another matter). A Bayliner is a very light weight hand laid glass boat (mine was built in Arlington, WA), a few miles north of where I live.

You can believe or not believe what you want; it doesn't bother me if ya choose to blow off the truthful second hand story that led to a lower aquisition price that I personally paid fer the boat as I relayed it. Believe what you wish.

I'll assume from this discussion it's a boat.

Thanks: that is big of you.

But you are the first person I've ever heard in 30+ years of boating say they have seen a transom "break" from trailering.

Now you are miss quoting what I said. I was told it cracked and I observed the crack and the wobble of the powerhead first hand so it made perfect sense since the transom was otherwise sound.

I'm not saying it didn't happen

Good because it did.

or that you are lying;

Good because I'm not.

but knowing nothing of the particular boat, or even type of boat, and the fact this is the first one I have ever heard doing so, it makes me think something else was amiss rather than trailering.

Well I guess you are an expert about things that you don't have a clue about then, eh?

If it broke going down the road, it was going to break in rough water.

BS. You don't know the boat or the situation AS YOU ADMITTED, you just can't accept anthing that doesn't fit yer precornceived notion. The world is full of people like you. You are the one who asked for the example of failure which I provided; accept it or don't: no big deal ta me.

I didn't see anyone arguing about gravity; I certainly wasn't.

Same deal. Sorry that one was over yer head.

But I'd agree with those above that said a wedge type device might save the hydraulics more than it does anything for the transom.

Well you jus' go ahead and agree with what you want to agree with, and disagree with what you want to disagree with, I'm sure not gonna change that.

The weight of the engine "bouncing around" doesn't change whether we are holding it from the hydraulic rams or just having it unsecured.

As I said you can argue with gravity and geometry all ya want. I don't accept yer argument, as it is incornsistent with me own first hand experience and me personal knowledge of geometry, road vibration, and gravity. A loose weight on a unsecured fulcrum is much more damaging to the bearing transom them a secure fixed weight all other things bein' equal.

By stiffening the engine's tilt hinge, (and if you'll "think jus' a wee bit"),"FACT IS" you'll see you have created a longer torque arm that forces the transom to flex rather than the flex at the tilt hinge.

Nope I think gravity werks and I think I also understand geometry jus' fine, so you jus' think what ya want ta think. It is fine by me.

All a wedge device really does is attempt to change the engine's pivot point and its moment of inertia in respect to the transom.

The transom brace fixes the engine in a set position and locks it there so it doesn't flex up and down back and forth with road vibration. You can think what ya want and how ya want to think and make up anything ya want too. Fine with me.

Ever used a longer pry bar to open something where a shorter one wouldn't? It's called leverage. By creating a longer torque arm (by stiffening the pivot point) we increase that leverage.

Proves nothing. Just bloviation.

I wouldn't be surprised to find out using those devices actually made a transom weaker or more prone to gel coat cracking from the engine rotating about the plane of the transom versus it's intended pivot point of the engine's tilt hinge.

You wouldn't be surprised by too many things I take it.

Which would you rather tilt--the engine hinge, or the transom?

I would rather have my engine fixed in a stable locked postion, (with a brace) so road vibration did not further stress an already stressed part of any hull that has a lot of weight and horsepower wracking on it. That is me: you do what ya want.

I have been boating fer as long as you have and I try to keep an open mind.

My experinece and my single functional brain cell leads me to a different cornclusion then you have reached based on my own experiences that you discount.

To each his own: what ever floats yer boat is fine with me. Carry on now ya hear. JR

[Transom/Trim Issues from Trailering]

That was my question too, and so far I think the unspoken answer is "no".

No Joe: I submit the answer is yes.

I have a small 16' Bayhole with a 1250 Merc on it that the guy I purchased it from broke the still solid transom, (BTW: that means it is NOT ROTTON), with a 200 mile tow from Lake Chelan to North Seattle, (on relitively smooth roads).

I now tow that same boat with a brace from the bottom of the skaag, (on the LU of the 1250), to the drain hole at the bottom of said now reinforced transom, (with a new 5/16" aluminum wrap).

The engine used to flopp all over the place and stress the cracked tranny and now it is solid in a geometrically stable format that doesn't cause further damage.

Bracing to the trailer seems problematic to me as well, so I guess you could argue that a poorly thought out transom brace could make matters even worse, that still doesn't void a proper OB brace increasing the life of a transom.

Anybody can argue that gravity doesn't werk cause it takes a little time to harm said tranny and since a solid transom can stand some of the punishment you can kid yerself that it is not happening. FACT IS: it is happening, as simple high school geometry will tell ya that if ya think jus' a wee bit.

Me over priced $.02. JR

[Less Bashing - - - Take the Higher Road]

Obviously some people like FREEDOM, (knowin' they are free to read or not read various threads by exercisin' their own freedom of choice, [imagine that ]), and some value a totally padded n' censored and totally borin' play room where politically correct topics are strictly selected by majority of "squeeky cornplainin' wheels" choice and are forcefully and heavily monitered to make sure no one is ever EVER offended (because they just can't ignore what bothers 'em, and they can't possibly ever pick and choose how to spend their own online time).

If ya use yer brain a wee bit, (I know that is very difficult fer some), and ponder the number of views of those very engagin', (n' very irritatin' ta some posters here: obviously), threads on all the boatin' sites you would find the most views, (by a very wide margin) on the very topics you fellers are so quick to want ta bannish.

Methinks Singapore is the place fer many of you freedom hatin' fellers, or maybe Cub'r or Venezuala or some such, (where ya go ta jail or worse fer offendin' the wrong party who happens ta be in power at the time ya happen ta offend).

I, (fer one, n' maybe only one), vote fer freedom, an unpopular or at the very least unvoiced minority opinion on this particular thread.

Me over price (n' likely very unpopular) $.02. JR

[Calling Out TN Freebird]

I have but two comments and then I'm in serious search for the ignore feature!

One: Wiley probably banned the name......but goofed by not banning just Freebird!

Two: I can't even begin to imagine who on God's green earth would want to emulate TN F. enough in stealing that username. And if there is someone like that out there in cyberspace God help us ALL!

Wiley, please tell me you have an ignore feature here, if not, when will you be installing one? My other comments I will reserve for either PM or e-mail.

Wow have you got yer undies in a heck of a bunch.

Must be very VERY uncomfortable.

The 'malordorous one' found an ignore feature that he used on me so it can't be that hard ta find if ya have a portion of one functional brain cell available ta engage in the search.

(Ya may be able ta use yer brain if ya calm down jus' a weeeeeee bit).

I think ol' Freebird is a good guy; sorry about those super snug undies yer wearin'!

Me over priced $.02 JR

[H ow did everyone find Reel Boating ?]

Glad to have ya.

If you joined THT AFTER the IB ownership then you didn't receive the personal email - unless you had emailed me in the past for some other reason.

Thanks,

I joined THT in Sept 2007 and I think you were just on the way out, (after the transaction).

Obviously you enjoy a very good rep with yer buds, (many of which I also know).

Glad to be here. JR

[Calling Out TN Freebird]

You cheap bastid, as least I brought my own popcorn.

Swifty likes ta sell the stuff if things get hot. JR

[Sticking to the Forum formula that worked]

There was a time when if you typed Gringo.... you got banned....

I think they overreacted JUST a tad....

Naw.................. I disagree, Purdy Lady, (no disrespect in any way shape or form intended here).

I was there and also engaged with 20Joe when that particular event happened, n' I have a very different perspective then you do.

The legend of the malodorous one is jus' a figment of an active imagination, (which is very understandable in yer particular situation).

Both foul werds n' other foul things roll off the malodorous one's keyboard, (n' I totally understand why you would want to overlook such things), like his little ditty with 20Joe before his timely and totally justified forced exit.

Facts are facts, n' figments are figments.

Kinda hard ta sort it all out from the forest, (very easy from a distance).

[Calling Out TN Freebird]

pages???? anyone????

[H ow did everyone find Reel Boating ?]

Received e-mail from Wiley

Saw a mention of it on Freebird's site (one of those sites fer misfits kinda like me). Googled Captain Sid's name, (knowin' he has his nose under every boatin' tent in the bidness, [Capt Sid is a good ol' boy, BTW]), n' walla: I crashed the party here fer a few days or soooooo.

I never caused enough trouble on THT ta get Wiley's attention or get banned, and I think I joined THT after he sold the site anyhooooo, so I'm the last person he would ever invite to a private, (or public), party.

Hard tellin' how long he lets me stay, if a certain self promotin' malordorous blow hard frfs or his purdy wife (that I'm tryin' to avoid as best I can), has their way: I'm gone in the next few minutes, (give or take a few).

Good ta be here, (while I'm here), anyhoo. JR

[Jet Sprints]

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[Hey]

I dunno, the place is kinda small, but I think I can fit.

Murky, the starboard is still down, but she cruises 10MPH just fine on one engine. I just tell everybody it's my plan to reduce my carbon footprint while keeping some green in my wallet. The generator runs just fine, so I guess it could be said I'm running on two engines.

Yer right two engines it is, like I it.

Me single engine Glasply Cutty has a 25 HP kicker so I guess I could claim twin engines as well, by cracky!! JR

[Rapid transit]

That's a pretty cool lookin ride I must say.

Yup she looked very VERY kool on the trailer, (very nice lookin' lines), n' the engine rooms are huge (and very shinney), as well, (you can get all around those hungry BBCs if ya need ta wrench 'em).

This was the first time that particular hull design was out on the water under 785 horse power of thrust so a lot of $ was ridin' on this trial. They are very VERY happy she runs out so well.

She will not be nearly as fast stuffed with 1000s of pounds of Salmon, but she really flys with only 50 gallons of fuel, n' 1000 lbs of people on board!!

Me bother's boat, (the exact same set up), should be ready to ship this week, (they throw 'em on a barge outa Seattle to take North). JR

[Hey]

Howdy murkster, define "engines".

The large heavy cast iron thingys that guzzle diesel n' make the vessel go forward, (n' reverse toooooo from time to time)!